There was a Huffington Post blog by Mr. Steve Kirsch that suggests to focus the available financial resources for reducing emission on replacing coal with nuclear energy source, instead of introducing “Cap and Trade” bill or other alternatives. There are several issues that don’t welcome this idea.
First, my scientist husband says that (A) nuclear energy source is not actually cost-efficient at all. Generating electricity with this energy source alone may be cheap. But dealing with the after mess of nuclear wastes after producing electricity is another costly process, which makes this energy source expensive.
Second, we have witnessed the troubles caused by Iran and North Korea. Iraq was attacked by the Bush administration under the false suspicion of this issue. “Nuclear Weapons!” (B) The proliferation of nuclear energy technologies endangers world peace as these technologies can be easily switched to produce nuclear weapons. When President Obama is endeavoring and having hard time to put Iran and North Korea under control and restrict their development of nuclear weapon, “Why On Earth,” anyone wants to take the risk of distributing, delivering the same dangerous technology worldwide?
Considering above (A) and (B), don’t we think (C) safe and endlessly available wind and solar energy would be better? Until these energy sources can be developed to be mature, consumer market competitive pricewise (which takes time), the government can subsidize the companies of these renewable energies to let them set their market prices low/competitive, or impose higher taxs on other types of energy products. This kind of government subsidy may be more productive for this country’s economy and future than other types of subsidies.
Third, in terms of reducing emission, exploring multiple methods, including cap and trade, to reduce emission would be better than introducing one or a few methods. So, in case one method doesn’t work, still we can resort to others. There’s no such a thing with 100% certainty !
Fourth, (D) malfunctioning US politics. During the first year of Obama administration, we have seen the chaos and the destruction of special interest politics in sabotaging the health care and financial sector reforms. Under this torturously twisted political system of this country, do you believe a reform in energy sector will be smoothly achievable?
UPDATE Two:
It appears that the administration is going to announce loan guarantees to develop nuclear power industry, in continuation of Congress’s approval of $18.5 billion for nuclear loan guarantees in 2005. Please check below wetsites.
Obama Administration To Announce Loans For Nuclear Power
UPDATE One: There were several comments to my above comment at the Huffington Post Blog by Mr. Steve Kirsch. Some are informative, so I present them here with the commenters’ nicknames.
“sethdayal” comment: Husband didn’t read Steve’s article.
All previous generation nuclear waste is fuel for the IFR. The IFR itself produces a tiny amount of waste so low level that is it really the same as high grade uranium ore. Put it back in the mine.
It would be extremely difficult and far too expensive to make nuclear weapon from a power reactor so nobody ever has. North Korea will sell you a cheapo Chernobyl type reactor design for a few bucks to make a bomb.
99% of the worlds energy comes from countries who already have nuclear weapons or are unlikely to make them (Canada). The rest can buy their reactor fuel from Canada.
Solar/wind costs 10 to 30 times nuclear and generally produces more greenhouse gases than they save. We are as little as ten years from a civilization ending climate/peak/ air pollution crisis. Only nuclear can save us in time.
Nuclear is 100% certain- been using it for 50 years now. Renewables will never be cost effective except in remote applications. Cap n trade is really just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic – useless.
Republicans love nuclear. Only Democrat politicians like Obama need reeducation.
“The Husband” (my real husband): Show me one IFR that has burned up any nuclear waste yet. There are none. Europe has shipped waste between countries for reprocessing. It created more waste than was there to begin with.
In principle you are right: IFR and other options (Thorium, accelerator driven sub-critical reactors) can solve many of the problems with conventional nuclear energy, including limited fuel, nuclear waste, and to some extent proliferation.
In practice the nuclear monopoly has not delivered, is only interested in maximizing their profits at the expense of public safety and health, and will be the last place I would look for a solution to the climate crisis.
You need to read up on solar, wind, and other renewable energies. Your statements are ridiculously out of date. If you put the same subsidies into renewables that nuclear has enjoyed, they will be cheaper than coal very soon.
Finally, the fact that Republicans love nuclear is a direct consequence of the fact that it is run by a (quasi-)monopoly, not because it helps the climate, which (so far) it does not.
“Sethaday” comment: Actually nuclear waste is burned all the time as MOX in France, the Soviet Union and Canada.
The Idaho IFR burned nuclear waste as part of its thirty years of testing but Clinton shut it down after complaints and campaign donations from Big Oil.
Indian just dropped the dome into place on its version of the IFR.
Any mythical nuclear subsidies have been paid for already, lets enjoy the benefitd.
Lets form a national nuclear public power company and build the plants on the site of existing coal operations. We can save the big profits for ourselves.
Goggle Arcadia solar and Texas wind china and get yourself up to date with the latest real costs of solar and wind power $35B/Gw and $12/Gw respectively + $12/Gw in natural gas plants required to load balance the things. Far more costly than new nuclear.
Wind and solar are already getting hundreds of billions in subsidies wordlwide through massive 2 to 15 times market rate feed in tariffs.
For whatever the reason Republicans love nuclear so if only the much more intelligent Democrats can get educated, a “Nuke the Nation” bill saving the lives of millions of Americans by eliminating coal plants should easily past through congress.
“The Husband” comment: Yes. Twice through is better than once through ‘cycle’. And there are current and former test reactors.
It is all far from being at a scale where it has an impact. (I am not arguing that it is impossible, just saying that clean nuclear technology is not at all widespread whereas dirty nuclear technology is.)
“Lets form a national nuclear public power company and build the plants on the site of existing coal operations. We can save the big profits for ourselves.”
I would like that. But short of a revolution that installs a benevolent dictator, how are we really going to get there?
The Republicans surely will drop their support when you talk about public anything.
I don’t know what your numbers mean for the cost of wind and solar power (installation cost? Operation for a certain number of years? With what assumptions?) It is rather difficult to honestly compare the costs of different technologies. I do think that wind and solar are becoming competitive. The key is to use the right renewable energy for a given purpose in a given area. Not one shoe fits all.
Load balancing is a big deal. But nuclear power can not be ramped up or down quickly either. (Accelerator driven sub-critical systems would be different.)
We have to upgrade the grid to use non-local storage capacity. Pumping water to high lakes, pressurized air in caves, using excess capacity to generate hydrogen for transportation, etc.
“vakibs” comment:
Mikyung Lim, (A) Dealing with nuclear waste is not at all costly. It is only a very tiny fraction of electricity produced by nuclear. Secondly, the kind of nuclear reactors that Steve champions (the Integral Fast Reactor or IFR) produce no long-lived nuclear waste. They eat existing nuclear waste and depleted Uranium to produce power.
(B) Nuclear weapons are proliferating without nuclear power. The newer version of reactors (like the IFR) are more proliferation resistant than the older ones. Secondly, using nuclear power inside the developed countries (which already possess stockpiles of nuclear weapons) is unrelated to the proliferation issue.
(C) Wind and Solar power have serious limitations in the quantity of power they can produce, they are not endless. These limits are dictated by the power-density, and because of the finite amount of land that we possess. They also use a lot more raw material, metals and freshwater than nuclear.
(D) Multiple options should be explored. But cap™ is just a serious delusion with too many loopholes. We need a straight-forward carbon fee÷nd.
“The Husband” comment: (A) The nuclear waste currently in the US is already exceeding the capacity of the only repository that was planned and now has been found to not be feasible. It is eating huge amounts of money and resources.
You are right on the IFR. However, the nuclear power industry is not pushing it. They just want to prolong the profits they make with existing technology.
(B) You are right, but between “more proliferation resistant” (IFR and similar) and “completely unrelated to nuclear technology in any way” (solar, wind, waves, geothermal, etc.) the second category wins.
(C) No, you are wrong here. The solar power input to the earth surface is on average 1000 W per square meter. This is a _huge_ amount. It means: If we would cover just a tiny fraction of the Arizona desert (or, equivalently, suitable roofs in every city), we could easily generate more energy than the entire United States is using. With existing technology, with all the losses and the current level of efficiency.
While some early solar cells were fabricated by using harmful chemicals, there is now a multitude of technologies for both wind and solar using friendly materials and processes. To argue that wind and solar are environmentally harmful is plain silly.
(D) Yes. I agree 100% with the statement that multiple options need to be part of the solution. No single technology has the potential to sufficiently reduce carbon emissions singlehandedly.
Reference: ”The Most Important Investment that We Aren’t Making to Mitigate the Climate Crisis” by
Steve Kirsch, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-kirsch/the-most-important-invest_b_402685.html
Alaskan Sen. Murkowski’s Resolution Defeated in Senate in Favor of EPA and Clear Air Act.
June 11, 2010 Leave a comment
Yesterday, there was an announcement of the Senate rejection of Murkowski’s resolution. Earlier, Alaskan Republican Senator Lisa Murkowski introduced a resolution to block the authority of Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) to reduce global warming emission. The potential impacts of the passage of this resolution is well expressed below:
“Friend – Alaska Republican Sen. Lisa Murkowski, with strong support from the big oil companies, has introduced a resolution that would prevent the Environmental Protection Agency from regulating greenhouse gas pollution — and dismantle the bipartisan Clean Air Act. If her measure becomes law, the effects would be immediate. Nearly every step President Obama has taken to promote clean energy would be repealed. It would wreak havoc on the President’s landmark clean vehicle standards that ensure cars go farther on a gallon of gas, and it would block requirements that force large power plants and factories to use new technology and clean energy to reduce their pollution.” -BarackObama.com-
Along with Ms. Palin’s beloved slogan, “Drill Baby Drill,” Murkowski’s resolution may be the joint façade of Alaskan politicians toward oil and environmental issues. Thankfully, as of yesterday, June 10, 2010, the Senate functioned very well to block the passage of Murkowski’s resolution, clearing the passage of the Clean Air Act.
Let’s be clear. We don’t want to give up, sacrifice our and our kids’ chances for recovering, maintaining clean air, water, stable climate conditions, safe living environments, just to help those short-sighted Alaskan politicians’ self-indulged, personal ambition to maintain their political posts, get campaign money, and get rich by playing special interest politics while tricking public in ambiguous ways with the “What-Happens-After-That?-Who-Knows?”-Attitude. Right? I just wish to take back the old times of relaxed, comfortable living with high school or college diplomas and decent salaries that can easily meet all the living expenses and leave slight extra dollars for savings, combined with the convenience of current fancy gadgets. You don’t want that?
Now, I have to take kids out to The Park.
“The Senate Votes in Favor of Science, Oil Savings and Climate Action.”:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frances-beinecke/the-senate-votes-in-favor_b_608109.html
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